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Lysistrata
April 10, 2008, 2:13 pm
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Something that interests (enrages, rather) me immensely is the concept of female-male relationships now and in the past. Clearly injustice is a word commonly used to describe the gender situation throughout time, and I agree. The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir describes the concept of the One and the Other. In the case of female-male relationships Beauvoir argues that men have, from the beginning of time, appointed themselves as the One(s), and have thus appointed women the less important title of the Other. This apparent submission in women has thus shaped the way that we are both perceived in society, and more importantly the way that we have over time been conditioned to dress, act, and feel a certain way. Women were (and continue to be, but this can be argued) moulded into a social ‘norm’ where they were expected to be submissive, quiet, agreeable, feminine, and weak. Men similarly were denied these freedoms (is that a good way to put it?) are were expected to be masculine, strong, powerful, and dominating. This has its implications. To cut it short, women did the cooking while men discussed politics.

LysistrataNow this brings me to the play, Lysistrata. I have never seen the play, nor have I read the script – all I know about it is that it comes up a lot in Feminist papers and discussions and, of course, I know what I can find on the internet. The basic plot of the play is that women go on a sex strike and refuse to give their husbands what they biologically crave to try to convince them to end the Peloponnesian War.
Researching Lysistrata I was reading through reviews of the play and found a BMCR review saying the following,
“The sexual theme is just an attention-grabber. … the women turn the city into an extended household and seize control of the actual polis – not as “intruders” but as reconcilers and healers.”
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/lysistrata/a/lysistrata.htm
Image taken from: http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Texts/Aristophanes/Lysistrata.html

I feel that this makes a very strong comment on women’s political standing and perceived ability, that women had (have) no understanding of war and politics (they belong in the home), and the only way that they were able to get in the public eye – in this case to make a statement/voice their opinions in a protest – was to use their sexuality. My point is woman’s sexuality, not woman’s intellect. Regardless, they are still ridiculed!!
So is sex appeal really the only way that woman was able to make an impact? If so, does this hold true in modern, Western society?
Texts that answer these questions are in abundance, but my problem is that they appear to be written with bias against the opposing parties – feminists vs. males and males vs. feminists.

I’m a feminist (look it up before you conjure up false images of the definition) but I am also a skeptic at the best of times. I believe in the existence of inequality in modern times, but to what extent does this inequality affect women? And to what extent does it affect men? No more writing :) but something to think about.


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Hello, fan of both Beauvoir and Beardsley (guy who illustrated Lysistrata). Also haven’t read the play but read a bit on it. I’d look at the theme of play in a more positive way—and this occured to me at the first go–not women taking advantage of their sexuality, considering the fact that they did so by denying sex to the men and not actually using it, but by taking advantage of men’s stupidity, a simple and affective plan considering how much of their resources men are willing to sacrifice for sex.

Comment by vintagefan

You have a point… a very good point actually. In all my bra-burning feminism I seem to exhibit intense bias. So really, the play equally mocks both men and women – the unbiased reality. Thanks for that!

Comment by natalieam

Taking it further I’d say that the notionthat men are mindless ravening beasts is precisely what feminism is trying to change because it gives them the excuse to act like beasts, but poking further yet I’d say that an intellectual stand on the woman’s side would likely be ignored taking the sexism of the time (and now), so the cleverer thing to do would be to deny them what they consider a basic need and the duty of the female to comply to.
A brilliant idea for a play for the time, I’d say, and I heard the men wore fake giant phalluses through the show. Can’t imagine anyone keeping a straight face through that ;p

Comment by vintagefan

I absolutely agree with you, this notion of men as mindless ravening beasts, as you put it, is exactly what allows them to behave the ways that they do.

Just an insight: Sharon Marcus in “Fighting Bodies, Fighting Words: A Theory and Politics of Rape Prevention” refers to these female and male notions as what determine events in a “script” – the narratives that constitute daily life.
The script defines gender roles in a linguistic form (a narrative) that can be rewritten. Just as you said…

Anyway, what I’m getting to is don’t we do this on a regular basis already? Don’t we constantly redraft this social narrative to suit our needs? So we know that men want/need sex pretty damn often (which is not to say that women don’t, but.. just for arguments sake..) and yet we as women have the power to deny their needs and say ‘no’ (usually or always, hopefully) and perhaps we use this power to our advantage. I like long sentences. I know that I’ll “demand” an essential oil body massage first, using my body language to gain control of the situation in the originally male domain. So I use the same techniques that were pseudo-employed by women in the 17th C play, Lysistrata. And I live in the 21st C. So… is there really any sexual and gender inequality NOW?? I really hope that all made sense.. it makes sense in my mind, just.

Haha, the phalluses were probably a necessity because the potential reality of the unthinkable situation turned the male actors off (and down) completely. Gotta love drama! ;)

Comment by natalieam

ahem.. not quite the 17th century.. do not, at all, know why I wrote that… I guess it just sort of creates a sense of flow in the sentence.

Anyway, here’s an interesting picture of a 12st C version of Lysistrata: http://www.pbase.com/kayakbiker/image/49853428

Comment by natalieam

“So I use the same techniques that were pseudo-employed by women in the 17th C play, Lysistrata. ..”
Having/refusing sex should be a choice, that goes without saying. If i interpreted this correctly, denying or using sex can be construed as an act of using one’s powers to one’s own end, taking advantage of the male gaze/male weakness to get ahead, they’re the idtiots etc. In today’s context I don’t particularly admire that because back then, women had little choice. It is better now, and women do have more choices…but—
“And I live in the 21st C. So… is there really any sexual and gender inequality NOW??”
Ofcourse there is. Think of a man denying a woman sex if she’s begging for it or trying to ‘tempt’ him into it—if he refuses he’s being sensible by not giving in to a woman’s wiles/desperation. Think of a woman denying a man sex—she being a woman in itself can qualify her as a tease or she is using her sexual powers by denying sex to make the guy feel bad OR get something from him, or she can be persuaded/forced into it. The inequality lies in how the act of denial is perceived.

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